Re: [Political Contributions]

From: Tom Dailey (tomd96@AIRMAIL.NET)
Date: 08/21/97

To everyone:

Can't we just drop this shit?  My father is a litigation attorney, 30 years
experience.  He read the license, told me it was valid.  Yes, a few points
could be argued, but the intent and language is clear enough to hold up
in court.  Drop this, end it....

This mailing list is starting to look like r.g.m.d.  If I wanted to humor
myself with their endless dribble, I would join that list.


> From: Andrew Helm <ashe@IGLOU.COM>
> To:
> Subject:  [Political Contributions]
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 8:49 PM
> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, AxL wrote:
> >
> >         How is this  different from that law that does not allow a
> > to donate more than $1000 to a political candidate?  No, this law does
> > prevent the person from _donating_, but it prevents the candidate from
> The opinion of the law student I was refering to has nothing to do with
> political contributions -- that's another story entirely. =)
> The idea, as I understand it from what I heard, is that a person has
> the basic right to do what he/she wants with his/her money, and that
> includes give it away. A license that prevents the owner from accepting
> the money of a bunch of people who want to give it to him may be
> considered unreasonably restrictive and contrary to public policy
> in the eye's of the law.
> Unfortunately, people keep responding to this thread trying to "prove"
> that the license is valid, and I would like to end this here and now.
> Daniel finally realized what I've been saying all along: I am not
> trying to prove the license is valid or invalid, I am merely asserting
> that the license is questionable and you ought to see a lawyer to be
> sure. I'm not asserting it based on my own personal reasoning but
> on the reasonable opinion of a law student. Therefore, please stop trying
> to respond to me "proving" the license is valid, because you're not
> addressing my point! (Unless you're not responding with an opinion you
> just pulled out of your ass but an opinion from some authoritative
> source that would, therefore, address my reasons for doubt.)
> I am well aware that many people are making the irrelevant distinction
> between a license that prevents the players from sending money, and
> a license that prevents the admin from accepting it. If you read
> what I've written about the opinion I heard, you'll notice that it
> does not claim the license is actively trying to keep the players
> from donating money, instead it is claiming that following the
> license results in the players not being able to give money, and
> therefore the license would be unreasonable restrictive and
> contrary to the public policy. Once again, please don't ask me to
> "prove" it one way or the other, because I can't do anything more
> than express the opinion I heard and then assert my belief that
> it raises enough doubt to justify seeing a lawyer for yourself
> if you want to know for sure.
> As for limits on political contributions, I'll quote what I said to
> someone in private e-mail:
>         [...] campaigns are a special situation. That's why
>     you hear all the fuss about it. It's one of those cases
>     where people's basic rights (the right to give money)
>     are superceded [sp?] by a more important cause (keeping
>     the government of this country honest). Notice, I can
>     donatate as much money as I want to a large coorporation,
>     a non-profit organization, or even just another individual.
>     The special case is donating money to people who run the
>     country, and the reasoning is: what's the difference between
>     a donation and a bribe? There certainly is a difference,
>     of course. However, it's too hard to tell when it comes
>     to gifts made to such important leaders. Consequently,
>     limits are put on the donations so some of people's right
>     to contribute to the leader they believe in is still intact,
>     but at the same time "bribes" are curtailed.
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