I am no newbie to MUDs, just to programming. I'm not trying to insult
anyone by my comments, but I received a message stating that someone would
help me with the autoquest code, and I never received that assistance. I
have removed the code from my MUD.
Its obvious no one is obligated to help anyone in this world. My grumble is
someone said they would help and they didn't, simply because I sent a
message saying I was waiting.
As for all of you "expert" coders out there thinking you are masters of the
universe and not obliged to help anyone thats fine and dandy, but lose the
ego.
I won't waste the effort to say anymore on this subject, but when I see
someone messaging for help on the mailing list I usually try to give them
some sort of support, and when I ask for help I get none.
As I said Im not trying to start any trouble, I am just hoping that someone
reading this will understand what I'm trying to say, and if not thats fine.
At 02:09 PM 1/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Michael J. Fara wrote:
>
>->your comments ammuse me plenty. perhaps if the guy had finished the code,
>->didnt put 50 different errors into it, and did what you recommend I wouldnt
>->have to. The whole reason why its called a snippet is so you can add it
>->with little difficulty or experience. I am trying to learn C by
>->experiencing my mistakes. If someone would tell me what the hell was wrong
>->I might be able to fix it.
>
>Uhm, strange; we're getting told by a newbie (by your own admission)
>what a snippet is, and getting code advice on-top of that. Perhaps
>you should use some common sense. A snippet is by no means code that
>you can add in with "little difficulty or experience."
>
>Code that you can add in with little difficulty or experience is
>called a "patch" and can be automatically patched into your MUD by the
>'patch' program. A snippet is, as the name implies, a section of code
>"cut" (hence, "snip") out of a whole. That doesn't mean it will work
>for you; and it doesn't mean that it's a complete isolated section of
>code that will work. For instance, this is a snippet:
>
> if (!(x = skill_roll(SKILL_KICK, GET_SKILL(ch, SKILL_KICK),
> STAT_ORDER(ch)))) {
> output_ch(ch, "Skill roll for '%s' failed.\r\n",skills[SKILL_KICK]);
> return;
> }
>
>Now, is this particularly useful to you? Probably not. It references
>two functions that you don't have (you may have functional
>equivalents, but since I don't tell you how each operates in detail,
>you don't really know). The majority of snippets, however, are not
>meant to be added verbatim into your MUD. They are meant to show you
>how someone did one thing in particular. If it were meant to be a
>complete, working section of code, then it'd probably be a patch.
>
>And, even so, don't expect people to go out of their way to make
>something work for you. After all, who in the hell are *you* to say
>what others should do with their spare time? People release snipets
>and patches because they /want/ to; after which, they have no
>obligation to support that patch or snippet, and you really can't
>expect them to. If we were making money off of this, then it would be
>different.
>
>BTW, learn to code in C through some other means. CircleMUD is a big,
>complex program--despite the code being well-written and easy-to-read.
>Newbies can't really respect the readability of the code, since they
>have no idea what any of the code is doing. Go write hello world, or
>a calculator. This is, of course, a suggestion. Some people have
>been able to learn C by coding in Circle, but it is a tough road, and
>one which can lead a coder to impotence in non-Circle coding.
>
>-dak
>p.s. This isn't a flame; so don't get worked up about it.
>
>
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