[ADMIN][NEWBIE] CircleMud, and Related Files

From: Daniel Holmes (danielh@teleport.com)
Date: 01/14/97

	I feel that I have something valid and important to say about the
CircleMud and this mailing list.

	I recieved a letter today welcomeing me to this mailing list and told
me some ground rules for posting to this mailing list;

	One: "When quoting previous pieces of mail, only quote what is needed,
do not quote the entire message, that just wastes bandwidth and the
readers' time."  I have seen more than half of the mail that apeared in
my mail box quote the entire message in some way.  Either at the top or
at the bottom.  I aggree with this rule.

	Two: "If you could please take the time to read the following FAQ about
list rules, archives, and so forth, it would be much appreciated..." 
"The CircleMUD mailing list is for CircleMUD implementors and
administrators to gather together to discuss coding techniques, ideas,
methods, and solutions, as well as other CircleMUD related discussions" 
"A pointer to this FAQ is posted in every message on the mailing list,
and it can be found online at:"  "There is also a secondary archive with
some code snippets and the official CircleMUD FAQ located at:..."  "And
finally, mirrors of the CircleMUD FTP Site:..."

	As a beginer I have yet to find enough information about obtaining
patch, gzip, tar, and other programs that I can use as to implement
"ideas, methods, and solutions" and "code snippets" into the current
circle mud source code 'reliabily'.  There is a FAQ at
'ftp.circlemud.org', that is very helpfull.  It told me where to
subscribe to this mailing list, and does discuss a location "<url
url="ftp://ftp.gnu.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu" where the patch, and diff files
can be obtained.  However I could not find what I needed for Windows
95.  Although I must confess I found gzip.  I need the TAR, PATCH, and
DIFF files.

	"Version 3.0 is also being ported to various non-UNIX platforms.  As of
patchlevel 11, you can compile Circle under OS/2 2.x and 3.x with the
OS/2 port of gcc, and Windows 95/NT using Microsoft Visual C++ version
4.0."  I realize that porting this code had to be complicated and I am
greatefull of the time and effort of Jeremy Elson (jelson@jhu.edu) and
others to make this version available.

	I reciently posted a frustraited message about my problem and I
recieved lost of help.  I appreciate it.  I do not wish to post so many
messages that I become a nuisance, and I would like to contribute to the
FAQ I found at 'ftp.circlemud.org' as well as the CircleMud, and give
some constructive comments rather then destructive "any contributions
and corrections are more than welcome."   

	However I have yet to find the MSDOS versions I need, or a simple
concise listing of these files available for the various platforms the
CircleMud can be compiled on.  I would like to continue to request that
if anyone has said gzip, gunzip, tar, patch, or diff files for MSDOS
please email them to me at: danielh@teleport.com.  Even though I have
only posted 4 or 5 messages (Two or three on this topic alone) I feel
that if more concise information was available I could have posted NONE.

NOT ObCircle:

	Three: I also found this anecdote quite amusing.  It followed the quote
of the entire message I had sent "When quoting previous pieces of mail,
only quote what is needed, do not quote the entire message, that just
wastes bandwidth and the readers' time." and was no help.  
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	I apologize for pointing out this obvious oversite on most peoples
part.  I do realize you may not wish to play policeman, but then why
have rules?  I also apologize for what I am about to do, and I am sure I
do not need it to illistraite my point further.  However I hope this
joke will help lighten any flared tempers, and help to reduce the amout
of un-important messages in the future.  (Cold day in 'Hell, Oregon' I
suppose though)

  A helicopter was flying around above Seattle yesterday when an
  electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic
  navigation and communications equipment.  Due to the clouds and haze,
  the pilot could not determine the helicopter's position and course to
  steer to the airport.   

  The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a
  handwritten sign, and held it in the helicopter's window.  The pilot's
  sign said  "WHERE AM I?" in large letters.

  People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft,
  drew a large sign, and held it in a building window.  Their sign said

  The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map, determined the course to
  steer to SEATAC airport, and landed safely.  After they were on the
  ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the  "YOU ARE IN A
  HELICOPTER" sign helped determine their position.

  The pilot responded "I knew that had to be the MICROSOFT building
  because, similar to their help-lines, they gave me a technically
  correct but completely useless answer."

	Nuf Said.
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