Re: [Circle] Re: Just an observation AND newbie color!

From: Joshua Mentzer (
Date: 07/25/96

> ok, I hate to take up space but I wanted to thank you on condeming all of us
> newbie's, I can program in 4 languages, but c is not one of them, and now
> you are trying to say that us newbies should just be ignored and jive up our
> passion, I feel that that is a very bad attatude, granted you may have
> hacked it till you knew it, but all us newbies are asking is for a little
> help, I dont _NEED_ your code, the only ones I have used are do_scan and
> OasisOLC, the first because I have seen it on other muds and it comes in
> handy, and the second is to save time and let my girlfriend help in world
> creation. oh, and my girlfriend installed socials.diff but I put in the
> ACMD's. but just because I dont (yet) know c you are trying to tell me to
> give it up? I dont think so, I dont want the full answer from anyone, just a
> few pointers. does it make me a LOOSER because I am asking a few questions?
> should I be draged out into the street and shot because of it? no, if
> nothing else I should be given credit for at least trying. sure, I could ask
> people to make all the code I want for me, but I want to make it, I want to
> learn this stuff, and I just ask you stand by while I am learning.

  Not in my opinion, but just because you are doing what you should be
doing doesn't mean that others are.  I guarantee there are IMPs out there
who don't know anything but how to patch code in, and depend on that for 
their code.
  People haven't been saying all newbies are bad, they have been saying, 
it's bad for newbies to depend on patches, and it could be easy to get 
into that kind of behavior, but as a newbie, you are much better off 
learning how to do things on your own.
  If you see a patch you think you want on your mud, don't hesitate to 
grab it, but don't put it in your mud until you understand it completely, 
and could code one yourself if you wanted to.


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