From: James A. Young <firstname.lastname@example.org> Yes, I have noticed that trend. But doesn't mean that someone can be flamed for it though, right? Understand, we were all newbies once. Some people have different ways of approaching a problem and should not be condemned for it. Yes it does. This list is for Circle specific questions, not questions about how to program in C. If you don't know how to program in C, learn by reading a book... most of the silly C programing problems could've been solved by simply knowing the language or reading the K&R book. The purpose of this list is not to babysit people through cs 1. have of coding.doc to prove it. I don't have problems with coding at all. I've coded before, but for a completely different mud type. Just wanted to say that before you flame me. Good for you. Not to sound stupid, but isn't the point of the list is for questions and support for the circle mud? If that's not the case then, let me know now. The C language specific problems (the technical problems I was refering to) are not the point of this list. Nor is this list the place where people go to say "How do you write a function?", but more circle specific questions like: "I noticed there aren't any multi-class in stock, where do I start" as opposed to "I noticed there aren't any multi-class in stock, can someone give me one since I don't know how to program." (though I used to supply answers to both types of question). There was, around October 1995, a suggestion by many 'old timers' to split the list to two, a newbies list and a more 'advanced' list. Everyone on the list noted that the newbies would just post to the advanced list anyway and that idea was squashed. Instead, a bunch of us just up and left. Perhaps I should unsubscribe again. The book mentioned is a very good book. Billy, you can't speak for the whole list, speak for yourself. So far, it seems that you're the only one expressing an opinion. I'm sure there is SOMETHING that you can't do well and I'm sure you would get criticized and you wouldn't like it, right? So think about the feelings of others before directly/indirectly flaming them. The point has been made time and time again (probably every few months). I was on the receiving end when I first started coding circle, around Sept 95. At that time, there were maybe 10 newbies on this list, two of whom asked really basic C questions. They got pointed to a good book and became more 'enlightened' newbies. I saw the trend happening again, and I'm basically restating what was stated back around Sept. My hat goes off to Jeremy Elson & Crew for spending their valuable time creating what we are administering. I know it does take a lot of work EVERYONE STARTS FROM THE BOTTOM. YOU GET TO THE TOP BY HARD WORK, NOT BY KISSING ASS. Ironic, since hats going off had nothing to do with the discussion at hand. You also get to the top by learning at least a little on your own. One last time, the purpose of this list was not to babysit through cs 1. Quoting from the coding.doc: If you want your MUD to succeed and flourish, you'll have to know how to code in C... This document won't teach you how to program in C; you'll have to learn that on your own.
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