Re: [LIST] Idea / Request

From: Fili (cybom@NETROPOLIS.NET)
Date: 04/21/98

Chuck Reed wrote:
> I've never read a C book in my life.  As John Evans stated, I asked some
> pretty stupid things when I first joined this list (and got flamed out the
> wazoo :), but that was for about one month.  I got the hang of it, and now
> I've never encountered something I couldn't figure out how to code.  I just
> wished that there was a place for newbies (like I was) to be greeted more
> kindly.  Personally, I don't care about the flames, but some may get
> discouraged and throw the whole things to hell you know?  I'd hate to see
> that.

*nod* I am the same as you Chuck. When I first started with Circle I knew
nothing about C. (One of my nice questions when I first started (not to this
list) was "What is the file name that my code has to go in?") Withen a day of
getting the circlemud code I found the snippets site and started working with
the snippets on that page. I started taking some of the snippets apart line by
line (I figured most of them out...) and soon learned some C, but not much. Then
I took a course at Rice University and learned a heck of a lot of stuff I never
knew. Once I returned from that course everything on this list suddenly snapped
into place. When almost every quesiton I asked before was stupid, now only 1/2
of them are.

> >This is not directed at you personally Chuck.  I'm sure you are a veteran C
> >programmer.  I also know that even the best programmer will occasionally
> >ask a stupid question - and flames aren't deserved.  But to admit that you
> >have never read a C book but want to program a MUD in C?  That's a bit
> >ludicrous, don't you think?  Pointers alone would leave your head spinning.
> Not really :)

*nod* Very few people that I have talked to who want to start a mud when asked
if they have coding knowledge either say yes, or "Thats why I'm starting a MUD".
(Of the ones that said yes, almost all failed any simple question I threw at
them (whats a parse error?)) As you can see, admins w/o coding knowledge are
quite common, and I believe that this is one of the most troublesome things
about CircleMUD. This type of admin lives on patches and snippets, and CircleMUD
has them in abundance.

> >Now a list for just admins and gods...  That would be something! (no coding
> >would be covered - just world design and object manipulation.)  Of course
> >you can't consider yourself only an admin by installing a stock Circle and
> >trying to compile it.  If you don't understand C, don't compile Circle!

<shameless plug> This kind of thing was thought of before in the sence of
originality based issues and a mailing list for circle admins, gods, coders, etc
was created. </shameless plug>

> I agree that the list you spoke of would be quite progressive, but that's
> for another post ;)



What the heck.

My idea for how to implement this type of mailing list.

Note - If this seems kind of hard to follow as far as the writing is concerned,
sorry. As ideas pop into my head I'm writing them here :)

First, this kind of mailing list would require 2 main things so it seems - 1) A
restructuring of the current list to make newbie/non-major snippet related
questions against the FAQ. This would force newbies to either join both lists or
(at least) not spam this one. 2) A group of somewhat skilled people who wouldn't
flame every single person on the list.

After these two things are gained the list could be put into effect. In order
for both lists to work well together, any person subscribing to one MUST be
referred back to the other list as well. (The newbie list suggests they join the
main one, the main list suggests they join the newbie one) This would perpetuate
both lists and would also help to make sure people understood what list each
type of question should go to. If the lists work hand in hand, the problem with
new blood wouldn't be too bad.


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